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Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:54 am
by Lupana
Yeah don't even get me started on Frozen. Catchy songs yes but now they are overplayed and just eehh. Wish I could put my exact feelings into words but a lot of my same opinions have been expressed on Tumblr and other such websites.

There is a new Dreamworks movie coming out that actually looks fairly good... Home I think its called?

Brave Little Toaster was one of my favorites as a kid. I loved that film so much. No one ever remembers it either.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:13 pm
by mike_197
God, my childhood movies were Balto, and every Disney movie from the 60s/70s and Bluth's classics. The Camelot film was a personal favorite but I can barely remember it, and my sister and I used to watch The Aristocats EVERY NIGHT. I have it memorized to this day, I've seen it at least 100 times. I also loved the direct-to-home video sequel to Balto, but I was like 5 and it was probably crap lol

Funny no one has mentioned Pixar yet, they make good films in general. I think it's a travesty that Ratatouille is more acclaimed than Persepolis, but they make less formulaic films with sharper humor and better characters than Disney. I grew up on the Toy Story films and Nemo and Monsters Inc, although they seem to be doing an awful lot of sequels lately. Inside Out looks promising, but Finding Dory? Cars 2 and 3? The Incredibles 2, Monsters University? Hm.

A lot of people loved How to Train Your Dragon from Dreamworks, and I never really got behind it. To me, it was a solid film, quirky cliche protagonist and a charming fantasy story, but not really heart-warming or a great piece of film or anything. Now there's a sequel for that too lol if Wolf is super successful, better get ready for Wolf 2: Silver's Dilemma or something :bone: but yea there's just so many of those kinds of film. I looked up Home, it looks ok but you can already see cliche quirky protagonist and cliche sidekick comedy relief written all over it, although I may be biased by the thought of Rhianna doing a concept album.....gah I sound like an ass. But animation can do so much more, partially why Wolf is so exciting :love:

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:55 am
by Cloudwilk
I hadn't brought up Pixar because it's pretty much just a separate studio within Disney, but generally they do pretty good. I actually liked Cars 2 better than the first. :P And Finding Nemo was a movie I really loved as a kid.... I even saw it in Theaters twice XD Also funny how when you look back on movies you used to like as a kid, you realize how ... poor they actually were. Like... The Swan Princess. Yea, I saw that as a kid and thought it was pretty cool.... but..... Now.... Balto was a good movie. I liked that, the sequels are pretty bad though, particularly the 3rd one.
At this point, I feel like the modern movies now start of with an interesting concept but the carry-out is really lame. And the concept is more on the situation rather than the point.
Finally... now I have a bunch of movies I want to see. I was beginning to loathe the choices Netflix was giving me (So many bad rip-offs.... I mean, it is literally painful to watch.)
Saw the commercial for Mary and Max and I feel pretty positive about it.
Also saw The Wind Rises commercial and... well... I find Studio Ghibli to be pretty amazing. Mostly happened after I read the comments and really have grown to understand the girth of their company.
Does anyone know of a way I can watch these movies?
Oh, and saw the trailer for Home... I feel really meh about it. Really meh. But hey, I initially felt meh about Up and by the time I ended up watching it, I thought Up was really good. (But I don't think that's going to be the case with this one, judging by the fact the humor already looks like it was ripped off of pretty much every other animated alien movie.)
Also, just recently saw The Sword and the Stone, Robin Hood, Stellaluna, and The Rescuers. I liked them pretty much in that order, The Sword and the Stone was good and The Rescuers was just kinda meh for me. The only reason Stellaluna is above The Rescuers is because I really like this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WQ6Vr0CvKk But the rest of the movie was pretty tedious.. but hey, it's a scholastic kids movie. Not much was expected from it from the start. (Plus, I got super excited when I heard Stella's voice... Hamtaro was my show back when >w<)

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:23 am
by mike_197
Well, if you wanna watch The Wind Rises legally, waiting may be the only option as it was licensed by Disney I believe and it'll be a while. There are other ways to get it illegally if you want to watch it sooner, but some people frown at that. Mary and Max is a tough one to find I'll admit, I'm sure the gods won't be angered if you download it and buy it later, but that is seriously one of my favorite films. You may need to order a copy online though, I live in Sydney and I've never seen a copy of it in stores even though it's an Aussie film.

Really, I don't want to encourage pirating, but if you're desperate waiting may sour your outlook on the film, so I'll just look the other way lol The Wind Rises I feel like some people liked only because it was Miyazaki, and others disliked because it wasn't what they expected, but it's a truly fantastic film and a great final film. It really feels like a final film too, much like Kaguya with Takahata, which I'll have to wait like a year while GKids dubs/distributes it before I can buy it :grump: anyway my point is that pirating is a way a lot of people get exposed to more obscure films, so if you find great films, go for it.

If you want some great animated films to watch, I can think of a few. Technotise: Edit & I, The Tragedy of Man, Le Roi et L'Oiseau, Arrugas, Rio 2096, and Persepolis are all great in different ways, if impossible to find in stores. Actually, I bought Persepolis in a JB-Hifi so maybe not impossible, but unlikely.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:20 pm
by FreckledOne
I'll admit that the lower framerate, character designs and stiff poses really turn me off from most anime, but this movie looks a lot better than those. :angel:

How to Train Your Dragon, Ratatoille, and Up are movies that everyone says are completely amazing, but I don't understand why. HTTYD was mediocre to me, and to be honest Ratatoille kinda ticks me off (the characters come off as pretentious most of the time, and I had enough of that around me in college). I haven't seen Up, but people have hyped it so much to me it probably won't live up to it now.

But now I have to sing praises to Don Bluth. His movies have the best tone and feel of any other studios (to me), and the animation, especially by him and John Pomeroy, is so appealing that even in the "lesser" films like A Troll in Central Park is still great to look at. They both got their start at Disney but jumped ship when they were unhappy with the films the studio was making.

We actually have Persepolis at our public library here, along with Secret of Kells. I've been meaning to watch both.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:06 pm
by mike_197
I didn't hate Ratatouille, but I never did get why so many people loved it. It's one of their lesser films to me. Up starts out great, but like Wall-E, it's like they didn't quite know how to end it so it has some hammy bits and improbable over-the-top stuff. But overall it's a good film, very enjoyable. I respect Pixar more than any other American animation studio, but for me lower frame rates don't particularly matter if the movie has a fantastic story. Films like Metropolis (the anime, not the German silent film) and Paprika are good despite not having the budget of a Pixar film, the creativity behind them helps me overlook the still-shots and all that.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:50 pm
by Lupana
I have a soft spot for Pixar. First theater movie I ever saw as a kid was Toy Story and of course I cried watching the third. I love Up, my family and I quote Bugs Life pretty often. The only ones I don't like are Cars - being a girl and not much of a car person - and Brave. Brave was a step backwards I think. Very weak and poorly written.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:45 am
by mike_197
Brave looked pretty meh to me, but the Toy Story films are classics. I like Cars, it's not one of my favorites by them lol but I enjoy it all the same. But in general, I'm not a huge fan of the Disney films like The Little Mermaid and The Lion King, I'll take a Pixar or Don Bluth film any day. Or some foreign films not aimed at kids lol

What was wrong with Brave though? It won awards, didn't it? I haven't actually seen it

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:57 am
by Cloudwilk
I thought Brave was a medieval Brother Bear were they completely contradict what Brother Bear was about and turn it into a mother-daughter relationship sort of thing. The animation was ... good... but it left no impact on me. :P
I do like Ratatouille, Up, and both HTTYD movies. I mean, I do feel the hype really drives it down considering its not worth the ridiculous amount of attention they get (It doesn't need it! The plot is pretty straight-forward.) but they are nicely animated and executed in a fine fashion. (Fine, not amazing. XD)
I never use torrents, but I will watch a movie on youtube if it's up. :P Even though that's technically illegal.... I'd rather watch before I buy. (But you have to buy, that's what will kill the market XP) I just saw Mary and Max on some obscure Arabic youtube just yesterday and I will say, that was a good movie. Definetly buying it... It really is a shame more places don't carry movies like this. Even Barnes and Noble wouldn't have it and that's as close as I've seen to a store holding obscure animated movies. (And it's not very obscure, depending on the one you go to.) That was a lot of movies I will have to give a try! (The French one particularly caught my eye.) Recently, I've been going to the library for a majority of them and have just been checking out every animated movie starting from A-Z. I love libraries.
Saw Castle in the Sky, yesterday. (Or, finished it that is.) For the start of Studio Ghibli films.... I didn't really like it. :P I was bored most of the time to be honest. I knew exactly what was going to happen but I have faith there will be a film that will catch my liking.
But after reading about the troll one, I want to go on a quest to watch all Don Bluth's films next XD I saw and liked The Land Before Time (but honestly, the sequels scarred it for me), An American Tail, The Secret of NIMH, and All Dogs go to Heaven. Can't really name one that I haven't liked yet, actually!
Yea, with anime, it's never the animation I like so much but more so the subject matter that they actually can dive into. I do try to keep an open mind and look to see the good in the style, though. (But, really, it's only one overdone style. I love variety in style which is why a lot of European animated movies appeal to me, like The Secret of Kells and A Cat in Paris.)
Generally, Stop-Motion actually creeps me out, and I think studios know that because a lot of the time I've seen a stop-motion or stop-motion style its sort of a death-goth thing (Thanks to Tim Burton.)
But I did like Mary and Max. I thought it was charming, actually. It actually almost had me in tears at time. The narration I felt was really good.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:10 am
by mike_197
Interesting, I think Castle in the Sky is a masterpiece lol it's a pretty subtle film, all of Miyazaki's films are. I mean, it was maybe the third time I saw it where a lot of the things really clicked, but once you get used to his style you pick up on all the things he's saying without shoving it in the audiences face. Spirited Away is another good example of that, and Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, and Porco Rosso. Nausicaa and Mononoke are more straightforward, and Mononoke in particular has a mix of subtle, emotional subtext and really tight storytelling that's easy to follow without feeling like it's something else. Personally, I love all of them for different reasons, and any film by him or Takahata will have a lot of depth and care taken.

Anime can overuse the same style, but it doesn't bother me too much. I have yet to see Secret of the Kells, is it good? And it's unfortunate about Brave, Pixar has set a high bar for themselves. I rewatched Wall-E yesterday and when it's good, it's a masterpiece, despite the sort of hammy bits near the end.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:03 am
by Cloudwilk
Really? Castle in the Sky was subtle? I probably missed something then XD I guess I got too caught up with how the characters were portrayed and the action sort of stuff. Maybe I'll rewatch it again one day, then. I mean, it is my future roommate who made me watch it anyway. (They were a huge fan...) I do hate sounding so negative about it... Especially since so many people like it. (but hey, that's never stopped me from picking on something before XD) I've also heard a lot of positive things about My Neighbor Totoro and Kiki's Delivery Service. In fact, those were the first movies I've ever heard of from him. Honestly, I'm excited for Sprited Away and My Neighbor Totoro. I actually was listening to one of the soundtracks from Spirited Away a few months ago a lot.
The Secret of Kells was.... I'm guessing it was pretty good but at the time I was only used to the Disney-esk style so at first I couldn't even believe it was a movie. I mean... it gets a lot of good reviews and from what I remember, it is definitely worth watching. There was a pretty strong story behind it that I feel a lot more artistically inclined viewers would appreciate... but at the time I was mostly just confused that it was a real movie XD

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:39 pm
by mike_197
Watch out for Totoro, a lot of people think of it as a light-hearted family movie, but it's so much more. I mean, there's a lot beneath the surface, and he shows the viewer enough to pick up on the themes of the movie. Some people claim it's an allegory where Totoro is the god of death, which isn't true according to the studio lol but yea there actually is a lot of substance to it, not counting that crazy fan theory. And Spirited Away is like an overload, you can mull over it for days, and it only gets better when you rewatch it. It also has one of my favorite soundtracks, but every Hisaishi soundtrack is bloody amazing.

Looking up The Secret of Kells, it sounds like a great film, I'll have to find a way to watch it lol the guys said they were influenced by Ghibli, so there's that. The artwork looks real good too.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:40 pm
by Cloudwilk
Just saw Grave of the Fireflies.... now that was a good movie. After the film, I felt it had anti-war elements but overall the theme that stuck with me was how it was the kid who really killed his sister by his stubbornness in a bad situation. Once I looked it up on Wiki I was pretty surprised that what I thought the film was mainly about was what it was actually about regardless of the anti-war theme the west thought it had.
Okay, so this movie is one that really stuck out to me hours after watching it.. right around evening this eerie feeling began to really sink in. That's when I know there's something more to a movie, when there's something about it that lingers. I hope Totoro is fairly dark.... don't know why but I love sort of family-styled dark moments if that makes any sense... like... a kid-like look but a dark understory (Understory not overstory though... Not quite going for Happy Tree Friends type of stuff.)

Edit: (I forgot to note the negative part of the movie... that I found the kid to generally sound a bit too fake... part of 80's dub problems XD If they could nail a more realistic kid, I think that'd really make the movie.)

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:01 pm
by mike_197
I'll be honest, after I saw that film I didn't want to eat for about a day, because I just felt bad inside. I dunno why, I didn't cry but the empty feeling was so much worse. The dub was serviceable for the time though, nothing like Akira (shudder). Takahata himself said that he didn't intend the film's message to be anti-war, and he made a film that just sinks into you. It's really something. Totoro is a bit like you described, I could point you in the direction beforehand but maybe you'll want to try and see everything yourself. It's just....I dunno, it's an extraordinary film, although Grave of the Fireflies is much more powerful. In fact, Takahata's next film is also extremely good (Only Yesterday), and this thread started with his most recent and last film (Kaguya). His style is less fuzzy than Miyazaki, it tends to be more realistic in a lot of ways and he tells stories much differently. Not to mention his directing is very specific, and extremely good. He takes ages with his films (he only has 5) so each one has a lot of care taken so that everything is exactly how he sees it.

Again, with Totoro, it's not quite 'dark' beneath the surface. I'd say it's more sad than dark, but it's not obvious. Miyazaki is a master of 'show, don't tell' and it comes through a lot in Totoro especially.

Re: The Tale of Princess Kaguya

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:35 am
by Lupana
Slight change of tone here - Has anyone seen Khumba? It's not "original" by any means, obviously taking inspiration from Madagascar and Lion King, (And I personally can't stand Madagascar) but I gave it a shot and was pleasantly surprised. The scenery and backgrounds are drop-dead gorgeous, even if the characters aren't exactly up to par. And of course, being an African setting, the music was of that same nature, and I enjoy that style a lot. It was actually released in South Africa and won a few awards. I'm curious to know if anyone else watched it and what they thought.